Special characters are not allowed. Details: The Chapel - In the chapel, the spirit of a priest that was recorded to have committed Suicide in the chapel. The cupolas on the roof. You need a Find a Grave account to continue. Ready to explore a little more? Becoming a Find a Grave member is fast, easy and FREE. The original central administrative building was a hallmark of Victorian-Italiante architecture, but it was sadly demolished in 1963, after the state deemed it a fire hazard. and reuse of the former state hospital. It was built in accordance with the Kirkbride plan, which was designed to facilitate a mental hospitals administrative and treatment needs. Use the "Browse" or "Choose File" button below to select an image to upload along with your comment. 36, b abt 1864 in Norway, married 6 years, parents b Norway In Michigan, Grand Traverse County is ranked 46th of 83 counties in Cemeteries per capita, and 25th of 83 . Canada, widow, father b Fr. cemeteries found within kilometers of your location will be saved to your photo volunteer list. Last edited on 19 November 2022, at 05:23, U.S. National Register of Historic Places, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Traverse_City_State_Hospital&oldid=1122711184. The asylum farm began in 1885 with the purchase of some milk cows and within a decade grew to include pigs, chickens, milk and meat cows, and many vegetable fields. The full-renovation is scheduled to be finished by 2010. Vantassel, Mary 68, b abt 1832 in Ohio, widow, mother born England We have been coming here for years to shop, buy coffee and eat at various places. Ellis, Orin 46, b abt 1854 in Ohio 30, b abt 1870 in England, single, pb England, also 1930, 1940 also I dont want to leave this out,they helped INSANE people ya so it had an insane asylum. The institution became the city's largest employer and contributed to its growth. I didnt know I couldnt tell him ,other than I saw something . I was suddenly being pulled to looked in a direction and I dont know why I did , but what I saw must be this monster you speak of . The Catholic Cemeteries are separately owned and operated and are listed separately on Findagrave. Even in my hometown there is an abandoned state hospital that we used to explore as kids. The barn will increase event space in the park. Please ensure you have given Find a Grave permission to access your location in your browser settings. Traverse City State Hospital (MI) (Images of America) by Miller, Chris. This vision transformed the old hospital grounds into a series of restaurants, shops, and residential spaces known as the Village at Grand Traverse Commons. Disclaimer: The stories posted here are user-submitted and are, in the nature of "ghost stories," largely unverifiable. The world champion cow is buried within a historic old asylum. Another is about the hospital chaplain, who was driven mad to the point of hanging himself in the chapel. If you are ever visiting Traverse City, then you must stop by the Village at Grand Traverse Commons (830 Cottageview Dr #101, Traverse City, MI 49684). One night we took a tour with the crew when only the offices in front were remodeled say 2004 . Mi. See. This photo was not uploaded because this cemetery already has 20 photos, This photo was not uploaded because you have already uploaded 5 photos to this cemetery. One cow at the hospital, Traverse Colantha Walker (1916-1932), set a record for producing the most milk and butterfat. Since it is not an official site, there are no distinct signs that will guide you; however, there are blue arrows painted onto branches, bushes, and tree trunks that you can follow to the hippie tree (after approximately 1/4 mile walk, take a right up the rise and the tree will be on your left). Many "ghost hunters" have been arrested because they failed to contact property owners and/or local authorities ahead of time. 31, b abt 1869 in MI, married, 4 children, father b Scotland, Nybro, Cecelia (Nybrs) 54, b abt 1846 in Norway, married, 5 children, b Norway Pratt, Sidney 54, b at 1846 in Ohio, male, died 4/ 14/ 1901, widow, married at age 20, 1 child, farmer, mother Catherine VanPelt, father James C. Pratt, at asylum from Oct. 6, 1899 - death, cause epilepsy seizure, buried Thompsonville, Mi, Schrier, Sarah 41, b at 1859 in Canada, married in 1896, 4 children, parents b Canada While the hospital was established for the care of the mentally ill, its use expanded during outbreaks of tuberculosis, typhoid, diphtheria, influenza, and polio. Benninghof, George (Burninghof) 39, b abt 1861 in MI, married, pb Germany A much more sinister legend persists about the hippie tree: that it is in fact a portal to hell. It stands for the Grand Traverse County Death Records Search. On your brief walk Your email address will not be published. The sights, sounds and darkness will leave you wanting to explore more! Over time, the space was used to treat other diseases, such as tuberculosis, polio, and, in the mid-late 1980s, as a drug rehabilitation center. 1883 underground steam tunnel, NEXT AVAILABLE TOUR THIS MONTH - Please continue to check our website for updates. This portal can be accessed when one walks a very particular pattern around the tree, yet nobody knows that exact pattern (one would think that if someone did figure it out, they would be transported to hell without a trace!). A system error has occurred. Ida Greilick part of the family that founded Greilickville. Found more than one record for entered Email, You need to confirm this account before you can sign in. There is a cistern type well up on the hill west of the main buildings, at night, there are two voices my team and I would often encounter. In extreme cases, visitors have been overcome with nausea and dizziness. I refused to get out of the car because there was such an intensely dark energy about the place. Discover the origins of Dr. Munsons Beauty is Therapy, learn what the iconic red spires were for, and much more. Canada Canada, mother born Ireland; Joseph Ruttan born May 10,1820 in Adolphustown, Ontario, died 9/ 1/ 1906, buried Clearwater Twp, Kalkaska,Co. excursion into the basement of a former Men's Ward Cottage as well as the underground steam tunnels, Dress for the weather - 50% of this tour is outdoors, flashlights recommended, Approximately 1 mile of walking - not wheelchair accessible, 90 Minute guided tour of the Village Campus, $30 per person (Ages 12 & over - 11 and under not permitted on tour; under 18 requires parent or guardian present), 2 hour Guided Historic Walking Tour of The Village campus, 15 person max - ages 12 & over - 11 & under NOT permitted on tour; under 18 requires parent or guardian present, Dress for the weather - 50% will be Outdoors, $50 per person, Ages 18 & over, ID required, Over 1 mile of walking - Not wheelchair accessible, 5 hours (1 hour break for lunch) Semi-guided Tripod Photography Tour lead by Christian Van Antwerpen, $100 per person, Ages 18 & over, ID required. Find the right cemetery in Fullerton, California for your family. Carstens, Otto 28, b at 1872 in Germany, pb Germany While this project should be considered a resource for the public and for researchers (both professional and non-professional), all content on this website (images, videos, etc.) If you are also interested in researching records, please let me know. Offer subject to change without notice. Traverse City, MI 49686 If you're taking a road trip through the Lower Peninsula, add the historic Pere Cheney Cemetery to your itinerary. Buried Ann Arbor, Gill, Frank 19, b abt 1881 in MI, single, died 4/ 19/ 1901, father Maurier P., farmer, from Clarion, at asylum about 3 yrs. Harold Titus local fruit grower, co-founder of National Cherry Festival and GT Historical Society. Thanks for your help! James H. Arnold oldest surviving Civil War veteran (10th Michigan Infantry Co. B) of Andersonville Prison in Georgia. It also cared for the elderly, served as a rehab for drug addicts, and was used to train nurses. My daughter who is an Empath encountered felt and saw a presence in the tunnels one time when she lag behind on a tour when we first got the building. Although it ceased operations as a mental hospital in 1989, the historic Traverse City State Hospital continues to serve the local community. The records for the main Oakwood Cemetery and the Jewish and Catholic sections are also maintained by Traverse City in the Oakwood Cemetery office. What do you think? Arndt, Caroline 32, b abt 1868 in Germany, married, 2 children, pb Germany, also 1910, 1920, 1930, 1940 Feel free to send email inquiries about this project to info@statehospitalproject.com. The hospital opened in 1885 with 43 residents. seeking an evening adventure through the campus of the former Traverse City State Hospital. Oakwood Cemetery was actually 4 cemeteries on the same property: the Catholic Cemetery, the City Cemetery, the Jewish Cemetery, and the Northern Michigan Asylum Cemetery, which is mostly unmarked. It was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1978 [1] and designated a Michigan State Historic Site in 1985.[2]. Helpful. Cause TB, exhaustion, epilepsy, buried Oakwood, McLean, Flora b abt 1849 in Scotland, married, 6 children, pb Scotland, died 11/ 13/ 1903 of organic brain disease, Midland Co. offerings. Dr. David C. Goodale the first TC physician. There is 1 Cemetery per 18,244 people, and 1 Cemetery per 92 square miles. She captured many things and heard many as well . After being abandoned for over a decade, the hospital was saved thanks to Ray Minervini and his team, who developed a new vision for the campus in the early 2000s. It moved like a slow motion picture all sketchy, then faster like a blur faster than anything Id ever seen . You can customize the cemeteries you volunteer for by selecting or deselecting below. ?, patient arrived Aug. 18, 1899, Karter, Joseph 31, b abt 1869 in Canada, single, parents b Germany Grand Traverse County. This account has been disabled. They deserve to be seen. I kept getting a creepy vibe i couldnt handle .so I looked down quite a few times not wanting to see what I knew I could feel . - death, married at 20, no children, Graham, George 42, b abt 1858 in Canada, married, parents b Ireland, died 12/ 3/ 1907, blacksmith, Terhune, Henry (Terhune) 80, born about 1820 in New York, widow, died 3/ 7/ 1901 of arteriosclerosis, buried ? This site is to share public records regarding patients and employees of the Traverse City Asylum, State Hospital for the Insane, Northern Michigan Asylum, Traverse City Regional Psychiatric Hospital. In the 1910s-30s, the farm was home to a world champion milk cow, Traverse Colantha Walker. Anyways its an interesting place . National Cemetery Administration (43A1) Burial Location Request. There was a problem getting your location. 0 cemeteries found in Traverse City, Michigan. Councelman, Matilda (Counselman) 36, b at 1864 in Germany, single, pb Germany, Morgan, Elizabeth 35, b at 1865 in Pennsylvania, single, father born New York, mother b Pennsylvania, died 2/ 17/ 1916 of TB, from Midland, buried Midland, Goodspeed, Merritt M. 61, b at 1839 in New York, widow, drayman, from Muskegon, at asylum almost 4 yrs, died 11/ 13/ 1901 of organic brain disease, buried in Muskegon, Humphreys, Susan 23, b at 1877 in Michigan, single, fb Massachusetts, mother b MI, died 10/ 27/ 1910 of hemorrhage from lungs from epileptic seizure, from Ionia, buried Oakwood Cem. Killbride, Thomas 37, b abt 1863 in Canada, mother b Ireland, father b Canada, Baribeam, Dell (Baribeau) 38, b at 1862 in MI, male, immigrated 1875 (which contradicts being born in Michigan), married, parents b Fr. Traverse City State Hospital was almost completely remodeled in 2000s, but reports say that the original structure remains from 1885, when it was built as the Northern Michigan Asylum. The tour guide was incredibly knowledgeable and passionate about mental health care, history, and the restoration of the buildings. James Wheelock Milliken founder of Millikens department store. David Duane the only Confederate soldier buried in Oakwood Cemetery. The Traverse City State Hospital of Traverse City, Michigan is a decommissioned psychiatric hospital that has been variously known as the Northern Michigan Asylum and the Traverse City Regional Psychiatric Hospital. The following institutions have a patient cemetery or cemeteries on the grounds. Jay P. Smith longtime editor of the Traverse City Record Eagle, co-founder of National Cherry Festival, and Jay Smith Walkway in Downtown Traverse City is named after. The restoration of the Traverse City State Hospital is an important step in remembering and preserving the history of American psychiatry. Crowley, Orris E. (Orrie) 35, b at 1865, male, married, Fish, Candice E. 29, b at 1871 in Michigan, married, 6 children; Family tree info, Candice Estella Bowker- Fish born Aug 1, 1871 in Hope, Midland Co, died 7/ 3/ 1942 in TC, buried Schultz, Barry Co. Mi, Randall, Alton W. 46, b abt 1854 in South Dakota, male, married, Find A Grave Alton Wayne Randall born 1853, died 7/ 21/1913 buried Ithaca, Gratiot Co., father's name George ***, Peterson, Samuel 54, b abt 1846 in Denmark, married, pb Denmark, Lotez, Charles When he learned that the state of Michigan was looking for a location to build a third state hospital, which would create hundreds of jobs, Hannah used his political influence to lobby to have it built in Traverse City (he won the bid in 1881). Paperback, 9780738533896, 0738533890 Beyond the beautiful 19th-century architecture is a remarkable story about the development of medical care, the passionate doctors, and the patients themselves. Plot sales for the Catholic sections are done through the local diocese, and plot sales in the Jewish section are also sold through the local synagogue, however once sold, they are maintained by . The City's Oakwood Cemetery opened in 1861 and was designed as a "garden-style cemetery." Projects in 2015 include a reflection pool using a former silo foundation and planting more gardens. Today, this legend has transpired into locals and visitors alike unleashing their own forms of artistic expression upon the twisting limbs of the downed hippie tree.. Died 6/ 13/ 1903. The commitment categories of patients treated at DSH-Metropolitan are described below: Lanterman-Petris-Short (LPS) Act These patients are typically referred by local community health programs and involuntarily placed within the state hospital system for treatment via a conservatorship agreement. Oakwood Cemetery | City of Traverse City Oakwood Cemetery Phone (231) 922-4907 Address City of Traverse City Oakwood Cemetery 1720 Hannah Avenue Traverse City, MI 49686 View Map Branden Morgan Sexton bmorgan@traversecitymi.gov Gabby Morgan Office Clerk gmorgan@traversecitymi.gov Office Hours Monday-Friday 9:00am-1:00pm Closed Most Federal Holidays 55 born abt 1845 in Canada, divorced, parents born Canada, died. Because when I came to my friend wasnt holding my arm my tour group was gone and I was alone ! also many of the workers warned patient not to go under the building near the rail way, there was train tracks. The institution built twelve cottages, as well as two infirmaries, for the needs of its male and female residents. most of the building has been renovated, and much of the activity has died down. The Traverse City State Hospital contains multiple buildings located on a large rolling campus. It is the last Kirkbride Building of Michigan's original four left in the state. *TOUR DATES ARE PUBLISHED 1-2 MONTHS IN ADVANCE*. Although most of the construction was completed with hand tools, the massive hospital was completed in less than three years. Join us for a Historic Tour of The Village campus, formerly the Traverse City State Hospital grounds. Otherwise it was interesting. Required fields are marked *. Strom, Luella (Strow) 36, b at 1864 in MI, married, 4 children, Trude, Jabez H. 69, b at 1831 in NY, married, mother b Scotland, father b NY, from Lanston, Mi, inmate for 1 1/2 yrs, died 9/ 3/ 1901 of heart disease, buried Greenville, Additional information regarding the asylum can be found on my facebook page, "Northern Michigan Asylum History & Research.". Joseph Edgar Maddy founder of the National Music Camp in Interlochen in 1928 and Interlochen Arts Academy in 1962. You sign a waiver for a reason- you get to go into abandoned buildings and tunnels and Joe knows the history of this place very well. When we looked inside (I never went in because I was searching with my grandma at the time) there was a bed bolted to the floor and on my childrens lives and fathers grave, NO DOOR to enter, only a window that was about 3-4 feet off the floor. Historic psychiatric asylum and most-filmed location in the Great White North. Causes of death, as stated on Grand Traverse Death Records, Organic brain disease (usually senility or dementia) 4 (1 at 36), Pernicious anemia (maybe disease related, genetic or from malnutrition, "Complications of intestine as result of peritoneal abscess due to fall from window-seat untacked", Paretic dysentery (paretic- relating to or suffering from paralysis ), Septicemia due to septic elbow (injury or wound that turned into a nasty infection). If you've had a paranormal experience here, or have any additional information about this location, please let us know! Regardless of the truth behind the hippie tree, one thing is clear: a visit to the mystical spot provides an enchanting experience sparked by the wondrous blend of nature and artwork. If you have questions, please contact [emailprotected]. Cannon, Kate (Connon) 34, b abt 1866 in Canada, married, 5 children, pb Ireland Military service branch. Michigan, Huston, Jerry B. 2 hour Guided Tour of The Village campus $30 per person, (Ages 12 & over - 11 & under NOT permitted on tour; under 18 requires parent or guardian present) Approximately 1 mile of walking - Not wheelchair accessible Wife Sarah McHenry, merchant, Ganmer, Mary (Gaumer) 31, b abt 1869 in Michigan, pb New York, Mary L. Gaumer born 12/ 6/ 1868 in Petoskey, Mi. Oakwood Cemetery Mariolek, Josephine (Maciolek) 36, b at 1864 in Poland, married, 5 children, pb Poland Again, thank you for you time. A haunted location: Traverse City State Hospital in Traverse City, Michigan. Its how they moved the more difficult (read: harder to subdue) patients between wards without risk of them getting loose. This site is to share public records regarding patients and employees of the Traverse City Asylum, State Hospital for the Insane, Northern Michigan Asylum, Traverse City Regional Psychiatric Hospital. Consider supporting our work by becoming a member for as little as $5 a month. 2023 Atlas Obscura. Another project is turning a partly burnt horse barn into a wall garden using the stone foundation left over. Please note: It is your responsibility to acquire appropriate permissions before investigating any location listed on this site. Patton State Hospital is a forensic psychiatric hospital in San Bernardino, California, United States.Though the hospital has a Patton, California address, it lies entirely within the San Bernardino city limits. Mccusig, Bridget (Mccuaig) 32, b abt 1868 in MI, married 2 children, pb Ireland, Nolte, Lena (Lena Notte) 56, b abt 1844 in Germany, widow, 3 children, pb Germany, died 9/ 19/ 1900, buried Oakwood Cem, TC, died of organic brain disease, Smith, Reinholdt 29, b abt 1871 in Germany, single, pb Germany, died 4/ 16/ 1907 of TB, laborer, from Muskegon, buried Whitehall, Rasmussen, Nels 59, Jan 6, 1841 in Denmark, married, fb Denmark, died 8/ 27/ 1908 of exhaustion, dysentery, senility, laborer, buried Ludington, Lakeview Cem, Harroun, Harriet G. 31, b abt 1869 in MI, single, pb NY Can an Old Coin Solve the Mystery of a Lost Roman Emperor? And the smokestack out back. cemeteries found within kilometers of your location will be saved to your photo volunteer list. The patient population quickly increased in the early years of the hospital, especially because it served 39 counties of Northern Michigan. The State Hospital Project is a digital transmedia educational project that uses oral histories and archival photographs to explore and preserve the history of Michigan's State Hospitals for the mentally Ill and the developmentally disabled. dataLayer.push({'event': 'gtm.formSubmit'}); Through these transcendental experiences at the tree, these hippies would be inspired to paint the surrounding limbs with all manners of colors and patterns. Hildegarde (Grawn) Milliken mother of former Michigan Governor William Milliken and daughter of Charles Grawn, superintendent of TC public schools from 1885 to 1899 and the man for whom the village of Grawn is named. When my dad worked late nights there . historic building and walk through an amazing brick steam tunnel built in 1883, Dress for the weather - up to 50% of this tour is outdoors, $35 per person, must be 16 years and older (under 18 years old requires parent or legal guardian to attend), Hear excerpts of first hand experiences from former employees and listen for the creaks and groans of the asylum cottages settling at night, Tour includes an (Lot A. Brower) 80, b abt 1820 in NY, married, died 4/ 4/ 1904 of heart disease, 84 yrs old, buried St. Louis, musician, Anderson, Alice 35, b abt 1865 in Sweden, single, pb Sweden, died 3/ 6/ 1905. [2] Lumber baron Perry Hannah, "the father of Traverse City," used his political influence to secure its location in his home town. Please enter your email address and we will send you an email with a reset password code. In 1882, Detroit architect Gordon W. Lloyd was picked to design an asylum for Northern Michigan and construction began in April 1883. We climbed over, crawled under, and explored the bright colored branches and bushes that make up the fascinating public artwork. Please enter your email and password to sign in. Explore one of the most popular cottages from attic to basement as stories from our historic past are told in the dim light of your flashlights. The vast majority of information provided on this web site is anecdotal, and as such, should be viewed in the same light as local folklore and urban legends. 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